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Your Organization Does Not Have a Climate. It Has Several

Writer: Leah Schneider, MS
Leah Schneider, MS
Oct 4
3 min read

An engagement score of 74 is not a description of anything.


It is the average of a 91 and a 52, and the two groups producing those numbers work for the same organization, follow the same handbook, and receive the same all staff emails.

One of them is thriving. The other is in trouble and has been for some time. The 74

makes both of them invisible, and the 74 is what gets presented to the board.


I spent years reading organizational numbers as though the organization were the unit. It is not. People do not experience an organization. They experience a supervisor, a shift, a team of six, a building, a schedule, and the two or three relationships that determine whether a hard week is survivable. That is the level where climate is actually produced, and it is the level almost nobody measures.


Bronfenbrenner made this point about human development long before anyone applied it to workplaces. Development happens in the immediate setting, and the immediate setting is nested inside larger systems that shape it without ever touching the person directly. Your organizational values are a distant system. Your staff live in the microsystem, and the microsystem has a name and a face and a scheduling habit.


Which is how you get what I call a toxic pod.


A toxic pod is a localized cluster, usually the span of one supervisor or one site, where the climate has diverged sharply from the rest of the organization and stabilized there. It is not a bad week and it is not a personality conflict. It is a small system that has developed its own working norms, its own understanding of what is permitted, and its own relationship to leadership, and it sustains those independently of anything the

organization is doing elsewhere.


Pods persist for structural reasons rather than mysterious ones.


They are invisible at the aggregate, because a pod of nine people inside an organization of six hundred moves the mean by almost nothing. They control their own upward reporting, because the person the organization would hear from is the person at the center of the pod. Their turnover disappears into organizational turnover, where twenty two percent overall conceals a department running at sixty. And they generate their own explanation. Pods are frequently described as a hard unit, a tough population, a demanding site, and that description is usually supplied by the pod itself and accepted by everyone above it because it is plausible.


The diagnostic is not complicated and it does not require buying anything.


Stop looking at your mean and start looking at your variance. Take the three numbers you already have, turnover, tenure, and unplanned absence, and disaggregate them by supervisor rather than by department. Departments are administrative boundaries. Supervisors are climate boundaries. Then add survey response rate by unit, which is the single most useful pod marker available, because a pod does not usually answer a survey with bad scores. It answers with silence.


Three markers together are close to conclusive. Turnover concentrated under one span. Response rate well below the organizational rate. Internal transfer requests moving in one direction, out. Any one of those has innocent explanations. All three in the same unit is a pod, and it has been one for longer than you think.


There is one more test, and it is the one I trust most. Ask three people from different parts of the organization to describe what it is like to work here. If you get three genuinely different answers, you do not have one climate to manage. You have several, and the average of them is a number that describes nobody.


The organization wide initiative will not reach a pod. It cannot. Every message you send into that unit passes through the person at the center of it, and gets interpreted there before it reaches anyone.


Stop asking how the organization is doing. Start asking where it varies, and go there.

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